Thanks, we will keep you guys updated

I meant no negative to you or Black Out in any of my statements. I just wish the world could have seen him in action and let the world know that there is other great breeders in Texas other than New Braunsfels and the Panhandle. When will your first litters from Black Out hit the ground?

We just bred 2 gilts last week and should be breeding 2 more this week. Just shipped some semen to California and Michigan, so hopefully we should have some black outs all about the same time.

well it seems like I Have caused i bit of a misunderstanding. but my point of view and which i feel is a good point, is that Out There is the #1 sire in all this chaos, but thats still my opinion. I still think a breeder should take his boar to a show where a Judge can say those comments ... then you can have the bragging rights! is'nt that the reason why we compete in the show ring ? well all people have different likeings for example Some like Nikes Others like Sketchers so i think this is the same in the pig world some say Out Cattin Others Say Paparazzi and G5 says Black Out what we forget sometimes is that they fit differently in eveyones perspective..

** So on my Behalf, Lazy Oak, i agree with every comment you made and i still think every thing you said on all your posts are true. **

**SO this goes for everyone that posted... Just dont Forget why we're in this industry not for bragging rights BUT FOR two things: 1. for the LOVE of the industry 2. For the SUPPORT OF OUR YOUTH!!!!!!!!

well i have seen Black out on a regular basis since he was a weanling and let me tell you all, he is a Power house and grew super quick G5 you have done a great Job with this Boar, Keep up the great work!

As for the the Best Out There Son... I really cant pick just one of them because i like them all. There's different uses for each one and we all have our preferences. Thats why I think all this might of gotten out of hand. But if you can sit down and see where all this started it all leads back to 1 boar and thats the SIRE OF ALL thats been posted recently... OUT THERE! It takes a couple of offspring to make a true sire and I think Out There has just proved to all of us that he is the best at what he was designed to do... Paparazzi, Out Cattin, Far N' Away, and Black Out are good in lots of peoples eyes because of their genetics and superb blood line..

Ty Clark ..Bud you have alot of right in every post you have written in this website and i back you 100% with what you mentioned, i understand competeing in a show is a MAJOR factor in spreading your Name throughout in the show pig world.

Why Black Out doesn't show only G5 Knows. What we really have to understand is that in Deep South Texas when we have something this good like Black Out it means alot to us down here and it hard to make 1 like this short monster.

well and some people like me i think i have a pretty good duroc boar. the pics i postted of hm are crappy pics my water was turned off the day i set up for the pics. But here in Ok i dont know any shows that alllow boars to show. i would have like to put my duroc and a new york boar that i have gotten in em. as far a takin them to duncan i would kinda be upset if they made sale and had to go. if there was shows that i could take them to where i didnt have to let them go or by them back if they went i sure would have taken them. SSSOO what i am trying to say is maybe that is where G5 is having his problem. I think all 3 boars are good in there own right. I think that if Black Out was put to a really sound yorkshire sow i think that would make some OUTSTANDING cross's. but these 3 boars shows what Out There can do.

Jay you have stated a very interesting point when you said that all the boars have something to offer. A true breeder knows what he has the strong points, weak point, genetics, and how he can compliment it to get to what he wants. This is why we always have to keep an open mind if we stay stuck in our stubborn ways then that is when we get left behind. My daughter are barely going on their second year showing but my family use to be deeply rooted in this and let me tell you what is right now is not what was right before and maybe what will be right in the future. Not one person determines what is proper but rather the industry as a whole.

KEEP AN OPEN MIND, LEARN FROM THE PAST, AND HOPE FOR THE FUTURE...
NEVER AT ANY POINT FORGET ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!!!

well i have to agree with a couple of things mentioned here by some of you all.
the best out there son is paparrazzi in my point but i would rather breed to their roots and go with Out There
* Jay you have just hit the nail on the head when you mentioned that all these boars have a purpose and a preference to different people and there perspectives..i strongly agree with that.

* Ty i agree with you as well when ever a breeder wants to have its bragging rights and prove to the pig nation that the boar is the best out there son you should have a comment said by a NSR Rep. or a judge ,and then you have that to back up your boar..

The thing is that even with paparrazi, you ultimately cannot say that he is the best out there son because neither comments were said at Duncan. The only way you all could validate what is said is by having a show with all past and present winners, all the same age showing against each other.

So then again, it all comes down to opinion. The NSR reps should have nothing to do with whether or not the boar is good. It is just a marketing and promoting tool that you could use. But know body from the NSR said that he was the best.

Here is another thing that I keep on seeing. Apparently, the g5 boar is not being validated by you all because he is not going to any shows. HELLO... what show would you want for him to go to. None of the major allow entries that are his age. They said it themselves on a previous post.

All three boars are good and it is just the opinion of s/he. I would love to have any of those boars in my barns, it would be a game changer in my eyes.

We have all stated that Black Out is a good boar. It is his title that is not validated and like you said when it all comes down to it it is folks opinion and judging by the comments on this site as well as the other site where he is discussed the majority of the comments say that Paparazzi is the "Best Out There Son".

The NSR Reps make trips to thousands of farms on a regular basis and see all the hogs that step foot in the ring as well as more boars like Black Out that never get the chance to be shown. They make many trips through Texas and are allways ready to visit farms that are said to have a great Boar housed at. With that said when Kade, Ralph, Clint & and the rest of the crew speak high about a boar there is alot of people that listen and as I stated when I first brought up the NSR Reps. When they talk highly of a boar the Boars popularity skyrockets as well as semen sales. With all of these comments made that is what we are all wishing for G5 and Black Out is for Him to earn that popularity and make G5 alot of money in sales. So yes like i said befor the reps are an extremely good marketing and promoting tool to take advantage of to get the most out of a boar. In the end that is what it is all about to have the boar gain as much popularity across the States and sell as much semen out of him as possible.
You have expressed your opinions on this topic and everyone on this site respect each and everyones opinions and I can speak for majority on this site by saying we all want the best for G5 and Black Out and want to see them succeed to theyre fullest potential and wish them nothing but success in the future.

Well said tclark. Looks like everyone understood what you were trying to say with the exception of one. I agree 100% with you i want to see g5 and his boar be the besthey can be

And yes Black Out could have been shown in July in Kentucky at the STC and basically would have been shown at his best when he was 260-300lbs.