Set Your... well if you are discrediting Cain as a breeder well you might as well discredit Steve Cobb as a York Breeder since a good amount of his good sires are really bred from the Lorenzen family. I am not looking for a farm I got mine. What I am looking for is one solid foundation sire. Dont over analyze it and answer the original question as most of the other creditable guys on this forum have so respectfully answered.

Thank You

Thank you trivswine that seems to be the way to go.


Set Your like i said before i do not have hamps, however, If your are discrediting them based on them having some of there best boars purchased off of other breeders. Well then you have just discredited everyone that has ever used a service sire and others such as Steve Cobb and Real McCoy because if you look into there history most of there good boars are puchased from other farm which did the breeding for them. To name a good one the lorenzen family has bred a lot of good sires which others own and stud out. Does this mean that the quality or capabilities are not there?

Set Your, I'm not really sure why you are getting so mad about this? I don't have the time or ambition to go back and list all of the cain genetics in the past 5 years that have had a positive impact. My only point was you said cain boars don't breed on. I have owned 2 cain boars in the past 10 years, both boars were used on a variety of sows including hamps for pures yorks for F1's and exotic females. The results were very positive, so from personal experience (which is what I find is the best source of information) cain genetics breed on. Also when you go to a show and look through the show bill you will not find a more prevalent herdmark, and I personally don't think that comes through raising hogs that do not breed on.

Set Your, I can set back and start throwing out the popular genetics just like you have done but that isn't impressive to me. You talk about some of the boars that cains have bought and those are the one's you see winning. This statement confuses me a little, as a breeder isn't your goal to gather genetics that can make you better? So cains have went out and bought boars that have done a nice job, what that tells me is that they are good stockman, do you agree?

I'm sure you know hampshires very well, however I have been breeding hamps for 13 years now, and I'm not saying that trying to impress anyone, I'm saying that because in those 13 years the cain family has been around the top the whole time and that is why I believe you cannot say cain hogs don't breed on. If they didn't they wouldn't still be raising hogs.

Set Your, I really wasn't trying to offend you or threaten your knowledge in anyway. As I said in my first post, I'm not saying you have to like the kind they raise I just don't think you can say they don't breed on.