If you had to mention ONE pure bred hamp boar that is stress negative that sires consistant, sound, flexible and overall the best... which one would it be?

I am just wondering why you are emphasizing the stress negative part? Because for a hamp boar to be used and REGISTERED as a Hampshire he has to be DNA banked and stress NEGATIVE!!

Well Jacob for starters I Dont have hamps and up until recently have never cared to inform myself. I would like to start with a firm foundation. This is the reason for my question.

Now for my question since you seem to know something on the breed...Who would you pick?

THANK YOU IN ADVANCE

I see... Well when it comes to hamps there are 2 firms that I think come to mind very easy Cain and Kilmer. They both have had alot of success and are very consistent. So I would look there. Since your in Texas I might want to check into Wintex Farms. If I had to pick a boar I would go with Mean Machine at Cains. He has had alot of champions and really laid into some sows. I also really like the Ironman boar from Cains as well. Hope this helped. Good Luck.

you can't go wrong with sweet tea at kilmers, or any of his sons. also back home at kilmers did us a real good job this past fall. iron man at cains seems to be a good boar also. there is also black tea at sgi.

are these boars anything to sun tea@ shaffer because that was where i was thinking of starting. Either them or Heimers Hamps.

Yeah I agree with ya trivswine...the sweet tea line has done a really good job.

jgarcia-sweet tea is the sire of sun tea. I have seen some good pigs out of him

Sounds good thanks a bunch!!!
What do you all think about signature? Is he proven yet?

Cain boars don't breed on.

I can think of a handfull that fit the bill...

they just got him in november...so i doubt he has any babies on the ground yet

I would suggest looking at the National Swine Registry website and check out recent show results. This will give you a good idea of what hampshire genetics are getting the job done. Some recently have been sun tea, momentum (He died recently but many sons are available), the judge (and many of his sons).

However I think it will be vital for your success to evaluate your specific need of your sow and choose a boar that will complement her. Selecting a boar on offspring performance is ok, but you need to make sure he fits your sow.

Just a opionion and i'm not trying to stir the pot, but to say cain hogs don't breed on is a pretty bold statement. I challenge you to look through any type conference results and find a more prevalent herdmark, and not just on the hogs the cain family exhibits but throughout the whole show. I'm not saying you have to like the kind they raise but I think saying they don't breed on is just not correct.

Good luck jgarcia, hope this helps

HAMPSHIRE You are right but i dont even have the sow yet i am looking for a sire whose offspring I can use as a foundation sow. I appologize if i had not explained clearly. Either I am going to see who wins the local breeding show when I take my crosses and speak to whoever has the best hamp gilt or I might even have to make a private treaty with a breeder who sells bred gilt but for now this is still research.

As for the statement on cain I have yet to use them, I like what i see but I try to go with what I know are proven to work with what i have. Everyone has an opinion but I am looking for something a little more solid than that. Maybe I would appreciate it if he can validate that statement by explaining a little. And that would mean that it has happened more than once or something because if it happened just one time everyone know that not all boars work on all sows. If that was the case there would be no reason for showing.

So if you can SET YOUR explain

I feel as I don't owe anything to either of you, but for the sake or argument, please give me an educated response.

Here is the deal. Show me, and prove to me, a Cain-bred boar that has had a positive influence on the hampshire breed in the past five years. Do not claim Bone Collector (Earnhart-bred), Rock The House (Steffensmeier-bred), Big Kahuna (Polich-bred) or Jumbo (Brattain-bred). Is there no doubt in my mind that Cain's have produced good hampshire boars? Yes. However, beyond Hard Hit and Motor (two boars neither of you know who the hell are/were), please educate me on what boars have made a positive influence to what state the hampshire breed is currently in.

I'm sure you will say Mean Machine. Look at Mean Machine's photos and tell me his good off of his feet and legs. How have offspring out of Mean Machine, and for example Holy-Cow, placed at shows on a National Level when out of females that didn't come from the Cain herd? Cains have produced a few boars over the past couple of years that I believe could make a difference in hampshire herds (including the aforementioned Hard Hit and Motor, and including Special K (who Cains caught the end of a raw deal on unfortunately) and the boar they sold at Indiana State Fair (who likely should have won Indiana State Fair, and who LVS unfortunately lost this past fall).

I await your rebuttal.....

Real Serious has been in the pedigree of a lot of winners the past couple years. We have a damn good litter of him on the ground. And Set Your im not answering your question im answering the original one. Although I do see your point about that. I have heard they dont breed on but I am not going to make any statements because I have never used them.

If in fact you are looking for something to start as a foundation sow I would definetly use something out of the sweet tea line.